Posts by Hobo Ken

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Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

by iknowall558 in

john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

and these very scriptures speak about me!

yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

Hobo Ken

@ Reniaa please thinnk carefully about what I posted.

If the Bible calls Jesus a God it is for a VERY good reason. He is Christians God and saviour, and HIS name is the one that Christians must use, as pasword amply showed with all the scriptures he put up. This is a Bible teaching.

Regarding Jehovah who was the God of the nation of Israel it is nowhere stated in the new testamant that he is the names God of Christians. Again that is a Bible FACT.

We are not frightened to use it it's the english transliteration of YHWH which itself is not actually a proper name like say,frank but rather means I shall prove to be.

Are you a Christian Reniaa?

Do you accept what the Bible clearly says?

Jesus rightly directed attention to Worship God the father while on earth, but in the book of revelation we see him sitting at his father's right hand being worshipped by all creation, which if you hope to be there MUST INCLUDE YOU.

Yes there is one God ,so when the Bible says in Isaiah 43;10

"that before me there was no God formed and after me there continued to be none"

Just where does that place Jesus Reniaa?

He is a God right?

It can only mean that He is to be regarded as God in the same way as the one speaking( i.e. Jehovah from your standpoint.)

The problem you have Reniaa is you cannot grasp the COMPOSITE nature of God, Not three God's just one. 3 individual persons with divine nature.

The Bible says there is God the father . FACT.

The Bible calls Jesus divine and God . FACT.

The Bible calls The Holy Spirit God. 2cor 3;17 look it up in your nwt. FACT.

It's your spiritual blindness induced by following wts dogma that is your stumbling block Ren. You are obviously intelligent, it's a shame.

H.K.

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Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

by iknowall558 in

john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

and these very scriptures speak about me!

yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

Hobo Ken

@ RENIAA I would like to approach this slightly differently......Reniaa said "Jesus is her KING and saviour", which is true.

However I have some simple points to make to you.

What is a God?

A divine being that one worships right?

Firstly is Jesus described as a God in the Bible?

Yes! The book of Isaiah says he is a mighty God.

What about 1st C christians, Which god did they regard as their own?

Titus 2;13 says "We are awaiting the revealing of the great GOD and saviour of us" This is Jesus, even although the NWT tries to distort it to make it appear to be speaking of God AND Jesus. The Greek word Epiphanea means "revealing". Ask yourself Reniaa when does Jehovah get revealed to man on earth? Never.

Also 2 peter 1;1 says that Jesus is also again "our God and saviour".

Thomas called Jesus "My God" at John 20;28.

There are your "three witnesses" Reniaa. Thomas , Paul and Peter plus the testimony from Isaiah.

Does Jesus reieve worship?

Yes!. Hebrews 1; 6 says he is to be worshipped by all the angels. The angels worship him but we dont?

So we have a God on our hands that gets worshipped by 1 century Christians and the Angels but NOT by "the only true Christians" on earth today?

The Bible says that there is only one true God right?

Is Jesus a false God that would preclude him from being worshipped?

I would hope not.

Then we could rightly describe him as a true God.

Yes God the father has headship over Christ, who even the JW Bible calls God, so what? Jesus is Divine , it's in the Bible .End of.

H. K.

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LISTEN TO THE ELDERS TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THEIR TEACHINGS

by Hobo Ken in

this blog has audio from conversations with the top elders in this countryduring " shepherding " visits and judicial.. first visit is in 4 parts.. part 1 here.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_1.mp3.

Hobo Ken

@steve2 There are no legal ramifications as I'm not slandering anyone. Plus what is to stop me taking notes during such a session and then sharing those with others?

You will also notice that I have NOT named anyone on the site or here( only first names are used on the recordings) , os it could be anyone on there.

The internet is also largely an uregulated place , where there worse things than some cult leaders being recorded.

Do the elders or the organisation have something to hide from if people were to hear them?

As you will hear from future podcasts there were times when I was so happy I had done it as at various times elders deny having said certain things, accuse me of things I certainly didn't say, and disfellowship me on the grounds of a confession I didn't actually make, but the chairman of the JC. said I DID!

Power to the people who have been harmed by this monster. Amen ninja.

M

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LISTEN TO THE ELDERS TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THEIR TEACHINGS

by Hobo Ken in

this blog has audio from conversations with the top elders in this countryduring " shepherding " visits and judicial.. first visit is in 4 parts.. part 1 here.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_1.mp3.

Hobo Ken

@ ALL. Thank you . It was a nerve shredding thing to do, but for those that know me I do not mind a big challenge. Re. putting it up on other sites I want to keep in mind " coherent development of the talk" and "main points made to stand out" and most of all "convince your audience and reason with them " It's best if the story get's told to a conclusion and then once it's all complete I'll happifyingly give it to other sites.

Plus it on itunes which is kinda big........

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LISTEN TO THE ELDERS TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THEIR TEACHINGS

by Hobo Ken in

this blog has audio from conversations with the top elders in this countryduring " shepherding " visits and judicial.. first visit is in 4 parts.. part 1 here.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_1.mp3.

Hobo Ken

@stillbreaking free. Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your support and comments.

It is a struggle and a battle. My reasoning is that if you apply an equal and opposite force then you should get some results even if it takes the rest of your life. Also with the truth of the Bible and god on my side I feel I have a distinct advantage..

My goal is to affect this organisation as much as I can locally and wake people up and if the www. can make a limited global impact then all the better.

M

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12 ex-JWs at church yesterday...

by passwordprotected in

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as reported elsewhere on the forum, there were 12 ex-jws at our baptism service yesterday.

twelve.. it was quite an experience to hear about an ex-jw who had moved to another part of the country and had written down 150 names of jws in the area of glasgow she was originally from and had started praying for all those names last summer.

two of the people on her list were at the church yesterday, with their wives and children.

Hobo Ken

@ password :- Whether all 9 of the local ex-JWs who were at church yesterday to see the baptism will become Christians remains to be seen.

Think there's something wrong with your maths there pass, I'm sure quite a few of that number ARE Christians.......is it because some of those haven't had a second water baptism yet it doesn't count?

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LISTEN TO THE ELDERS TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THEIR TEACHINGS

by Hobo Ken in

this blog has audio from conversations with the top elders in this countryduring " shepherding " visits and judicial.. first visit is in 4 parts.. part 1 here.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_1.mp3.

Hobo Ken

Thanks T.C.

All the best.

M

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LISTEN TO THE TOP ELDER IN SCOTLAND JUSTIFY THE ORG'S U.N. LINK.

by Hobo Ken in

this is part 2 of the blog which charts the process of being disfellowshipped from the watchtower organisation.. a must hear!!!.

here is part 2.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_2.mp3.

Hobo Ken

@whereami here is the link to another page on this forum where you can click on the itunes link.

You can then download all the episodes free.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/173505/1/My-new-blog

M

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WHAT DEFINES AN APOSTATE ACCORDING TO THE ELDERS?

by Hobo Ken in

listen to part 3 of the death or obedience podcast which charts the df'ing process from start to finish.. in this part the elders give a "sister" a grilling about her alleged apostasy and attemp to explain how god uses the organisation.. here is the link.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_3.mp3.

Hobo Ken

I have to say Thomas that I agree.

If I was to contact or stimulate a member of the public on the field circus to become a jw, then as a result of following the "faith" that person refused a blood transfusion ( a policy which is equally flawed and dangerous) where is the first point of contact?

It could be argued that I was only following orders.....Nuremberg trials etc..

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LISTEN TO THE ELDERS TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THEIR TEACHINGS

by Hobo Ken in

this blog has audio from conversations with the top elders in this countryduring " shepherding " visits and judicial.. first visit is in 4 parts.. part 1 here.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_1.mp3.

Hobo Ken

@ thomas. ecolab digital recorder covertly placed in the corner of the room.